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    > In fact, A/C systems start cycling the compressor at no less than 38 degrees > F.  SO… when the air coming into the evaporator reaches this low > temperature, the compressor is cycled or shut OFF if the air temperature > entering the evaporator continues to drop.  Otherwise the evaporator would > become a block of ice, which would prevent any air from reaching the heater > core (in nearly all cases).

    Now THIS makes perfect sense. (I’d have to look up the temp at which refrigerants go liquid to confirm or deny Steve G’s belief.) I’m almost certain that the A/C on my old 85 Pontiac would cycle at any temp, though. I’ll check up with the Honda soon. Anyway, I doubt it would be that difficult (in the original design) to construct an airflow system that would shunt warmer air around the evap unit when the temp dropped in winter, in order to preserve the dehumidifying characteristics of an A/C-based system.

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    > BTW, while there are products out there that are sold specifically to > curtail condensation, a bottle of windex and some newspaper works very > well.

    Just Newspaper on it’s own does a fair job, without smears if the windows are only a little grubby on the inside too. And you can dry a slightly damp window with Newspaper and clean it at the same time. One tip, alcohol based de-icers for the outside of glass can actually cause misting on the inside because they change temperature so quickly the condensation forms from moisture in the car. You’ll get less condensation if the glass is scraped without de-icer (unless it is so hard you can’t shift it). — "Sorry Sir, the meatballs are Orf" The poster formerly known as Skodapilot. http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

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    > new model top loading washing machine in the US today.  ;)

    they still sell top loaders

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    > There’s a way to fix that, put a plastic bag over the outside of the > A/C after poking several holes in it. (The bag, duh). :)

    Hah hah. I can’t see anything but destruction in my future from doing that… either the system overheats cuz there aren’t enough holes, or there are too many holes to keep it warm. I could blow a few units trying to get it right! I can live with it.

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    Has nothing to do with the refrigerant.  Has solely to do with the temperature water freezes at … 32 degrees.  Since in most cases, all air flows thru the evaporator and then to or past the heater core, were the water on the evaporator be allowed to freeze solid, no air would flow out of any of the plenum chamber outlets. —   – Philip

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The low temp cutout may have different settings, but that is most > likely a result of the diferent refrigerants used, r12 vs 134a, > Your 83 may still run at 40, but there is a temp close to that > where it will no longer engage. They all had low temp cutouts for > the very reason I mentioned.  Or, the low temp cutout may have been > by-passed or is not working properly.  Take it out on a cold frosty > morning and run the ac and let us know what happens. > I’m a mechanic by trade (inter-provincially licensed) and worked in > the field in the 70’s and 80’s and never saw a compressor cycle in > temp below 35 to 40 F.  Up here in the frozen north of Canada we > use our defrost a lot and they would engage the compressor in the > mild weather, but have never seen a compressor run in the cold. > Not sure what it has to do with buying a 3 gal toilet tho… > You certainly are entitle to your own opinion.  The AC on my 83 > Continental will run below 40 degrees but not my 2005 Lincoln LS > or my 2003 Mustang GT.  Go try a buy a three gallon toilet or a > new model top loading washing machine in the US today.  ;) > mike hunt >> No it’s not! >> AC systems have always had low temp cutouts on them, and it’s not >> idiocy for the above poster.  The ac  is called for anytime the >> defrost is selected on most cars but is prevented from cutting in >> below 40 F because below that temp the gaseous refrigerant will >> liquefy and as we all know you can not compress a liquid.  It >> cuts it out so that your compressor doesn’t smash to little bits >> trying to compress liquid refrigerant. >> Short lesson in refrigeration, compressor draws in low pressure >> gas, pumps out high pressure gas.  High pressure gas condenses >> into a liquid under pressure in… what else but the condenser >> (that other rad in the front of your car).  High pressure liquid >> is metered/sprayed into the evaporator where it becomes a low >> pressure gas again and so on. >> For the OP, cars with persistant high humidity situations >> sometimes have water leaks that may not be apparent.  I had a >> Supra that leaked water > at >> the hatch.  Windows seemed to fog easily.  Discovered one day >> that the spare tire well was half full of water. >> Steve >>> The deactivation on newer domestic and automotive AC’s, at 40 >>> degrees, is a federal regulation intended to save energy.  Same >>> as the limit on water capacity for toilets and the latest washing >>> machines sold in the US.  Your government at work. ;) >>> mike hunt >>>>>> Unfortunately most A/C systems don’t run once the >>>>>> temperature drops below 40 degrees Fahrenheit. >>>>> I don’t believe this holds true for automotive systems. On my >>>>> old Pontiac the A/C was directly tied to the defroster >>>>> setting–switch the system to defrost, and the A/C was >>>>> activated. >>>> It depends on the make/model.  My cressida shuts the A/C off if >>>> you turn the inside temp past 75%. >>>>> Good way to keep the compressor oils circulating to keep the >>>>> seals lubricated, in addition to removing condensation. Worked >>>>> at any temp, as I recall, and I move around NY/New England. >>>> It does help with condensation. There’s no doubt about that. >>>>> I’ll confirm this on my new 94 Civic in a few days, as it has >>>>> now gotten cold enough around here to check. Disabling it >>>>> below 40 degrees would be idiocy–it’s the only way to remove >>>>> condensation effectively. >>>> I’m pretty sure that even in his case, it’s the temp you set the >>>> control to and not the outside temp. >>>>> It is true, however, that many room A/Cs don’t function when >>>>> the outside temp is "too low"–which occasionally annoys me. >>>> There’s a way to fix that, put a plastic bag over the outside >>>> of the A/C after poking several holes in it. (The bag, duh). :)

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    Where did *you* read that it’s a Federal Regulation about cutting A/C at 40 degrees?  And don’t give me that "go look it up BS." —   – Philip

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The deactivation on newer domestic and automotive AC’s, at 40 > degrees, is a federal regulation intended to save energy.  Same > as the limit on water capacity for toilets and the latest washing > machines sold in the US.  Your government at work. ;) > mike hunt >>> Unfortunately most A/C systems don’t run once the >>> temperature drops below 40 degrees Fahrenheit. >> I don’t believe this holds true for automotive systems. On my old >> Pontiac the A/C was directly tied to the defroster >> setting–switch the >> system to defrost, and the A/C was activated. > It depends on the make/model.  My cressida shuts the A/C off if you > turn the inside temp past 75%. >> Good way to keep the compressor oils circulating to keep the >> seals lubricated, in addition to removing condensation. Worked at >> any temp, as I recall, and I move >> around NY/New England. > It does help with condensation. There’s no doubt about that. >> I’ll confirm this on my new 94 Civic in a few days, as it has now >> gotten >> cold enough around here to check. Disabling it below 40 degrees >> would be >> idiocy–it’s the only way to remove condensation effectively. > I’m pretty sure that even in his case, it’s the temp you set the > control to and not the outside temp. >> It is true, however, that many room A/Cs don’t function when the >> outside temp >> is "too low"–which occasionally annoys me. > There’s a way to fix that, put a plastic bag over the outside of > the > A/C after poking several holes in it. (The bag, duh). :)

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    About a year ago, I did have to replace one of our toilets.  Bought a new Kohler.  They play all sorts of timing, level, and displacement tricks to limit the flush volume to 1.6 gallons.  But after you "change things" and since the tank size permits more water storage, the flush can easily be increased to just under 3 gallons.   Want a used 5 gallon flusher?   LOL And you are COMPLETELY in error about buying a top loader washing machine. They dominate by wide margin.  Front loaders are the in the small minority of units sold. —   – Philip

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You certainly are entitle to your own opinion.  The AC on my 83 > Continental will run below 40 degrees but not my 2005 Lincoln LS > or my 2003 Mustang GT.  Go try a buy a three gallon toilet or a > new model top loading washing machine in the US today.  ;) > mike hunt > No it’s not! > AC systems have always had low temp cutouts on them, and it’s not > idiocy for the above poster.  The ac  is called for anytime the > defrost is selected on most cars but is prevented from cutting in > below 40 F because below that temp the gaseous refrigerant will > liquefy and as we all know you can not compress a liquid.  It cuts > it out so that your compressor doesn’t smash to little bits trying > to compress liquid refrigerant. > Short lesson in refrigeration, compressor draws in low pressure > gas, pumps out high pressure gas.  High pressure gas condenses > into a liquid under pressure in… what else but the condenser > (that other rad in the front of your car).  High pressure liquid > is metered/sprayed into the evaporator where it becomes a low > pressure gas again and so on. > For the OP, cars with persistant high humidity situations > sometimes have water leaks that may not be apparent.  I had a > Supra that leaked water at the hatch.  Windows seemed to fog > easily.  Discovered one day that the spare tire well was half full > of water. > Steve >> The deactivation on newer domestic and automotive AC’s, at 40 >> degrees, is a federal regulation intended to save energy.  Same >> as the limit on water capacity for toilets and the latest washing >> machines sold in the US.  Your government at work. ;) >> mike hunt >>>>> Unfortunately most A/C systems don’t run once the >>>>> temperature drops below 40 degrees Fahrenheit. >>>> I don’t believe this holds true for automotive systems. On my >>>> old Pontiac the A/C was directly tied to the defroster >>>> setting–switch the system to defrost, and the A/C was >>>> activated. >>> It depends on the make/model.  My cressida shuts the A/C off if >>> you turn the inside temp past 75%. >>>> Good way to keep the compressor oils circulating to keep the >>>> seals lubricated, in addition to removing condensation. Worked >>>> at any temp, as I recall, and I move around NY/New England. >>> It does help with condensation. There’s no doubt about that. >>>> I’ll confirm this on my new 94 Civic in a few days, as it has >>>> now gotten cold enough around here to check. Disabling it below >>>> 40 degrees would be idiocy–it’s the only way to remove >>>> condensation effectively. >>> I’m pretty sure that even in his case, it’s the temp you set the >>> control to and not the outside temp. >>>> It is true, however, that many room A/Cs don’t function when >>>> the outside temp is "too low"–which occasionally annoys me. >>> There’s a way to fix that, put a plastic bag over the outside of >>> the A/C after poking several holes in it. (The bag, duh). :)

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    > Unfortunately most A/C systems don’t run once the > temperature drops below 40 degrees Fahrenheit. > I don’t believe this holds true for automotive systems.

    It does apply to automotive A/C. >On my old > Pontiac the A/C was directly tied to the defroster setting–switch > the system to defrost, and the A/C was activated. Good way to keep > the compressor oils circulating to keep the seals lubricated, in > addition to removing condensation. Worked at any temp, as I recall, > and I move around NY/New England. > I’ll confirm this on my new 94 Civic in a few days, as it has now > gotten cold enough around here to check. Disabling it below 40 > degrees would be idiocy–it’s the only way to remove condensation > effectively. It is true, however, that many room A/Cs don’t > function when the outside temp is "too low"–which occasionally > annoys me.

    In fact, A/C systems start cycling the compressor at no less than 38 degrees F.  SO… when the air coming into the evaporator reaches this low temperature, the compressor is cycled or shut OFF if the air temperature entering the evaporator continues to drop.  Otherwise the evaporator would become a block of ice, which would prevent any air from reaching the heater core (in nearly all cases). —   – Philip

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    > For the OP, cars with persistant high humidity situations sometimes have > water leaks that may not be apparent.  I had a Supra that leaked water at > the hatch.  Windows seemed to fog easily.  Discovered one day that the > spare > tire well was half full of water. > Steve

    Thanks.  We had that very issue with this car (89 Toyota Corolla).  The spare tire well filled with water shortly after we bought the car.  It [water] was coming in from the rear lights which were newly installed (without sealant).  Fixed that problem. No AC in this car.  So, unfortunately, with where we live (Northwest Oregon) and the amount of rain we get and how cold it is here until, like, next August — LOL — we’ll just have to deal with it.  Floormats are a must in this wet area.  SO they’re stayin’. I will try Anti-Fog wipes.  Will see how those work out.  Rainex works great in this area.  I know that much.  But that’s the outside.  And the wipers work fine getting that "condenstation" off the windows. Aaron

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    The low temp cutout may have different settings, but that is most likely a result of the diferent refrigerants used, r12 vs 134a,  Your 83 may still run at 40, but there is a temp close to that where it will no longer engage. They all had low temp cutouts for the very reason I mentioned.  Or, the low temp cutout may have been by-passed or is not working properly.  Take it out on a cold frosty morning and run the ac and let us know what happens. I’m a mechanic by trade (inter-provincially licensed) and worked in the field in the 70’s and 80’s and never saw a compressor cycle in temp below 35 to 40 F.  Up here in the frozen north of Canada we use our defrost a lot and they would engage the compressor in the mild weather, but have never seen a compressor run in the cold. Not sure what it has to do with buying a 3 gal toilet tho…

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You certainly are entitle to your own opinion.  The AC on my 83 > Continental will run below 40 degrees but not my 2005 Lincoln LS > or my 2003 Mustang GT.  Go try a buy a three gallon toilet or a > new model top loading washing machine in the US today.  ;) > mike hunt > No it’s not! > AC systems have always had low temp cutouts on them, and it’s not idiocy for > the above poster.  The ac  is called for anytime the defrost is selected on > most cars but is prevented from cutting in below 40 F because below that > temp the gaseous refrigerant will liquefy and as we all know you can not > compress a liquid.  It cuts it out so that your compressor doesn’t smash to > little bits trying to compress liquid refrigerant. > Short lesson in refrigeration, compressor draws in low pressure gas, pumps > out high pressure gas.  High pressure gas condenses into a liquid under > pressure in… what else but the condenser (that other rad in the front of > your car).  High pressure liquid is metered/sprayed into the evaporator > where it becomes a low pressure gas again and so on. > For the OP, cars with persistant high humidity situations sometimes have > water leaks that may not be apparent.  I had a Supra that leaked water at > the hatch.  Windows seemed to fog easily.  Discovered one day that the spare > tire well was half full of water. > Steve > > The deactivation on newer domestic and automotive AC’s, at 40 > > degrees, is a federal regulation intended to save energy.  Same > > as the limit on water capacity for toilets and the latest washing > > machines sold in the US.  Your government at work. ;) > > mike hunt > > > >> Unfortunately most A/C systems don’t run once the > > > >> temperature drops below 40 degrees Fahrenheit. > > > >I don’t believe this holds true for automotive systems. On my old > > > >Pontiac the A/C was directly tied to the defroster setting–switch the > > > >system to defrost, and the A/C was activated. > > > It depends on the make/model.  My cressida shuts the A/C off if you > > > turn the inside temp past 75%. > > > >Good way to keep the compressor oils circulating to keep the seals > lubricated, in addition to > > > >removing condensation. Worked at any temp, as I recall, and I move > > > >around NY/New England. > > > It does help with condensation. There’s no doubt about that. > > > >I’ll confirm this on my new 94 Civic in a few days, as it has now > gotten > > > >cold enough around here to check. Disabling it below 40 degrees would > be > > > >idiocy–it’s the only way to remove condensation effectively. > > > I’m pretty sure that even in his case, it’s the temp you set the > > > control to and not the outside temp. > > > >It is true, however, that many room A/Cs don’t function when the > outside temp > > > >is "too low"–which occasionally annoys me. > > > There’s a way to fix that, put a plastic bag over the outside of the > > > A/C after poking several holes in it. (The bag, duh). :)

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    You certainly are entitle to your own opinion.  The AC on my 83 Continental will run below 40 degrees but not my 2005 Lincoln LS or my 2003 Mustang GT.  Go try a buy a three gallon toilet or a new model top loading washing machine in the US today.  ;) mike hunt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > No it’s not! > AC systems have always had low temp cutouts on them, and it’s not idiocy for > the above poster.  The ac  is called for anytime the defrost is selected on > most cars but is prevented from cutting in below 40 F because below that > temp the gaseous refrigerant will liquefy and as we all know you can not > compress a liquid.  It cuts it out so that your compressor doesn’t smash to > little bits trying to compress liquid refrigerant. > Short lesson in refrigeration, compressor draws in low pressure gas, pumps > out high pressure gas.  High pressure gas condenses into a liquid under > pressure in… what else but the condenser (that other rad in the front of > your car).  High pressure liquid is metered/sprayed into the evaporator > where it becomes a low pressure gas again and so on. > For the OP, cars with persistant high humidity situations sometimes have > water leaks that may not be apparent.  I had a Supra that leaked water at > the hatch.  Windows seemed to fog easily.  Discovered one day that the spare > tire well was half full of water. > Steve > The deactivation on newer domestic and automotive AC’s, at 40 > degrees, is a federal regulation intended to save energy.  Same > as the limit on water capacity for toilets and the latest washing > machines sold in the US.  Your government at work. ;) > mike hunt > > >> Unfortunately most A/C systems don’t run once the > > >> temperature drops below 40 degrees Fahrenheit. > > >I don’t believe this holds true for automotive systems. On my old > > >Pontiac the A/C was directly tied to the defroster setting–switch the > > >system to defrost, and the A/C was activated. > > It depends on the make/model.  My cressida shuts the A/C off if you > > turn the inside temp past 75%. > > >Good way to keep the compressor oils circulating to keep the seals > lubricated, in addition to > > >removing condensation. Worked at any temp, as I recall, and I move > > >around NY/New England. > > It does help with condensation. There’s no doubt about that. > > >I’ll confirm this on my new 94 Civic in a few days, as it has now > gotten > > >cold enough around here to check. Disabling it below 40 degrees would > be > > >idiocy–it’s the only way to remove condensation effectively. > > I’m pretty sure that even in his case, it’s the temp you set the > > control to and not the outside temp. > > >It is true, however, that many room A/Cs don’t function when the > outside temp > > >is "too low"–which occasionally annoys me. > > There’s a way to fix that, put a plastic bag over the outside of the > > A/C after poking several holes in it. (The bag, duh). :)

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    If your vehicle is equipped with a manual ‘recirc mode’ and you are operating your heating system in the ‘recirc mode,’ that’s likely your problem.  If not, check for a heater core leak mike hunt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Condensation on the inside windows.  I hate it.  How do I get rid of it? > What’s the cause of it?  Why does it take so long to remove with the > defroster?  How can I seal up the outside of my car.  What’s the best way to > check for air/water infiltration.  Ugh.  Help!  :)

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    > Condensation on the inside windows.  I hate it.  How do I get rid of it? > What’s the cause of it?  Why does it take so long to remove with the > defroster?  How can I seal up the outside of my car.  What’s the best way to > check for air/water infiltration.  Ugh.  Help!  :)

    Sealing up your car will only make things worse – unless of course you don’t have the need to breath. The moisture in your will condense on the windows. How cold is you climate? Running the A/C while heating will remove a lot of moisture. Unfortunately most A/C systems don’t run once the temperature drops below 40 degrees Fahrenheit. Avoid using the recirculate setting. This just allows moisture to build up in the car. Regards, Ed White

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    The deactivation on newer domestic and automotive AC’s, at 40 degrees, is a federal regulation intended to save energy.  Same as the limit on water capacity for toilets and the latest washing machines sold in the US.  Your government at work. ;) mike hunt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Unfortunately most A/C systems don’t run once the >> temperature drops below 40 degrees Fahrenheit. >I don’t believe this holds true for automotive systems. On my old >Pontiac the A/C was directly tied to the defroster setting–switch the >system to defrost, and the A/C was activated. > It depends on the make/model.  My cressida shuts the A/C off if you > turn the inside temp past 75%. >Good way to keep the compressor oils circulating to keep the seals lubricated, in addition to >removing condensation. Worked at any temp, as I recall, and I move >around NY/New England. > It does help with condensation. There’s no doubt about that. >I’ll confirm this on my new 94 Civic in a few days, as it has now gotten >cold enough around here to check. Disabling it below 40 degrees would be >idiocy–it’s the only way to remove condensation effectively. > I’m pretty sure that even in his case, it’s the temp you set the > control to and not the outside temp. >It is true, however, that many room A/Cs don’t function when the outside temp >is "too low"–which occasionally annoys me. > There’s a way to fix that, put a plastic bag over the outside of the > A/C after poking several holes in it. (The bag, duh). :)

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    No it’s not! AC systems have always had low temp cutouts on them, and it’s not idiocy for the above poster.  The ac  is called for anytime the defrost is selected on most cars but is prevented from cutting in below 40 F because below that temp the gaseous refrigerant will liquefy and as we all know you can not compress a liquid.  It cuts it out so that your compressor doesn’t smash to little bits trying to compress liquid refrigerant. Short lesson in refrigeration, compressor draws in low pressure gas, pumps out high pressure gas.  High pressure gas condenses into a liquid under pressure in… what else but the condenser (that other rad in the front of your car).  High pressure liquid is metered/sprayed into the evaporator where it becomes a low pressure gas again and so on. For the OP, cars with persistant high humidity situations sometimes have water leaks that may not be apparent.  I had a Supra that leaked water at the hatch.  Windows seemed to fog easily.  Discovered one day that the spare tire well was half full of water. Steve

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The deactivation on newer domestic and automotive AC’s, at 40 > degrees, is a federal regulation intended to save energy.  Same > as the limit on water capacity for toilets and the latest washing > machines sold in the US.  Your government at work. ;) > mike hunt > >> Unfortunately most A/C systems don’t run once the > >> temperature drops below 40 degrees Fahrenheit. > >I don’t believe this holds true for automotive systems. On my old > >Pontiac the A/C was directly tied to the defroster setting–switch the > >system to defrost, and the A/C was activated. > It depends on the make/model.  My cressida shuts the A/C off if you > turn the inside temp past 75%. > >Good way to keep the compressor oils circulating to keep the seals

    lubricated, in addition to – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >removing condensation. Worked at any temp, as I recall, and I move > >around NY/New England. > It does help with condensation. There’s no doubt about that. > >I’ll confirm this on my new 94 Civic in a few days, as it has now gotten > >cold enough around here to check. Disabling it below 40 degrees would be > >idiocy–it’s the only way to remove condensation effectively. > I’m pretty sure that even in his case, it’s the temp you set the > control to and not the outside temp. > >It is true, however, that many room A/Cs don’t function when the outside temp > >is "too low"–which occasionally annoys me. > There’s a way to fix that, put a plastic bag over the outside of the > A/C after poking several holes in it. (The bag, duh). :)

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            Wet shoes and floor mats aggravate the situation too.      bob

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    > Wet shoes and floor mats aggravate the situation too.      bob

    So do lengthy discussions on the merits of Toyota vs. Honda vs. Isuzu Vs. Chrysler Vs. Ford and who shouldda wouldda won the last election — Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)

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    > Wet shoes and floor mats aggravate the situation too.      bob

    I always forget that part. The heater gets going and evaporates the water from around our shoes and mats, then the moist air hits the not-yet-heated windows. Mike

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    what about leather seats…does that add to the condensation?I have leather and this is my first winter with the car.I find it gets a little humid in there also

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Wet shoes and floor mats aggravate the situation too.      bob > I always forget that part. The heater gets going and evaporates the water > from around our shoes and mats, then the moist air hits the not-yet-heated > windows. > Mike

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    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Condensation on the inside windows.  I hate it.  How do I get rid of it? >>What’s the cause of it?  Why does it take so long to remove with the >>defroster?  How can I seal up the outside of my car.  What’s the best way >>to >>check for air/water infiltration.  Ugh.  Help!  :) >Best way to deal with inside condensation is to use the A/C. >Best way to *avoid* it is to *clean* the inside glass surfaces. >. > Yep. That, and tell your passengers to stop breathing. > BTW, while there are products out there that are sold specifically to > curtail condensation, a bottle of windex and some newspaper works very > well.

    Ah, yes.  When in doubt, use the simplets option.  :)  Thanks. And thanks to all who have posted.  I really appreciate it. Aaron

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    > Unfortunately most A/C systems don’t run once the > temperature drops below 40 degrees Fahrenheit.

    I don’t believe this holds true for automotive systems. On my old Pontiac the A/C was directly tied to the defroster setting–switch the system to defrost, and the A/C was activated. Good way to keep the compressor oils circulating to keep the seals lubricated, in addition to removing condensation. Worked at any temp, as I recall, and I move around NY/New England. I’ll confirm this on my new 94 Civic in a few days, as it has now gotten cold enough around here to check. Disabling it below 40 degrees would be idiocy–it’s the only way to remove condensation effectively. It is true, however, that many room A/Cs don’t function when the outside temp is "too low"–which occasionally annoys me.

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    Condensation on the inside windows.  I hate it.  How do I get rid of it? What’s the cause of it?  Why does it take so long to remove with the defroster?  How can I seal up the outside of my car.  What’s the best way to check for air/water infiltration.  Ugh.  Help!  :)

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    I run my AC briefly to get rid of it. Not sure if sealing your car would help, if that were possible. Remember that condensation is due to the humidity in the air and your car would still contain air, even if sealed. Remco

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    >Condensation on the inside windows.  I hate it.  How do I get rid of it? >What’s the cause of it?  Why does it take so long to remove with the >defroster?  How can I seal up the outside of my car.  What’s the best way to >check for air/water infiltration.  Ugh.  Help!  :)

    Best way to deal with inside condensation is to use the A/C. Best way to *avoid* it is to *clean* the inside glass surfaces. .

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    > Condensation on the inside windows.  I hate it.  How do I get rid > of it? What’s the cause of it?  Why does it take so long to remove > with the defroster?  How can I seal up the outside of my car. What’s the > best way to check for air/water infiltration.  Ugh. Help!  :)

    As others have and will state, the A/C must be run with the defroster (your A/C -is- operational, isn’t it?).   Also, that YOU are in the car …. BREATHING … contributes significantly to condensation on your windows.  If you get into the car with WET wearing wet clothing, this too contributes to window condensation. —   – Philip

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  • insulating a deep freezer

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    I’ve got a small deep freezer.  When my power went off during Ivan, I used some aluminum faced poly insulating panels and encapsulated the freezer.  it lasted for 3 days, but when I hooked a generator up to the freezer to re-freeze the unit, the outside metal got real hot.  I did not cover the vent area for the motor and all.  Are these new freezers designed to dissipate their heat through the outer skin?  Maybe I should put my insulation on the inside?

    Response:

    >I’ve got a small deep freezer.  When my power went off during Ivan, I used >some aluminum faced poly insulating panels and encapsulated the freezer.  it >lasted for 3 days, but when I hooked a generator up to the freezer to >re-freeze the unit, the outside metal got real hot.  I did not cover the >vent area for the motor and all.  Are these new freezers designed to >dissipate their heat through the outer skin?  Maybe I should put my >insulation on the inside?

    Yes, and yes.  Recent vintage refrigerators and freezers are more commonly putting the compresser coils under the skin to protect them, prevent condensation on the outside freezer surface and utilize the skin as a large heat transfer surface.  One tip-off is the manufacturer’s instruction to provide a certain minimum clearance around the outside of the unit.

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    >I’ve got a small deep freezer.  When my power went off during Ivan, I used >some aluminum faced poly insulating panels and encapsulated the freezer.  it >lasted for 3 days, but when I hooked a generator up to the freezer to >re-freeze the unit, the outside metal got real hot.  I did not cover the >vent area for the motor and all.  Are these new freezers designed to >dissipate their heat through the outer skin?  Maybe I should put my >insulation on the inside?

    One problem with refrigs/freezers is "sweating", that is, condensation, in humid weather. Some units have small electric heater coils along the frame near the door (which, thanks to "edge effects", as well as getting the blasts of cold air when you open the door, would be the coldest section). Others, to "save energy", instead pass some of the condenser heat into that area. (I’d much rather they simply used better insulation…) Most electric strip units have a switch somehere or another you can toggle on/off. It’s often labled somthing like "energy saver" or "high humidity". — Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

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  • Variable frequency drive for single phase motor

    Question:

    I have a central AC unit. It is single phase motor compressor. I am looking for a vaiable frequency drive unit for it. I hope it can save energy. Will it work? I found only three phase variable frequency drive unit in the market. Is there any single phase variable frequency drive at all?

    Response:

    > I have a central AC unit. It is single phase motor compressor. I am looking > for a vaiable frequency drive unit for it. I hope it can save energy. Will > it work?

    No.  The motor/compressor is optimized for peak efficiency at line voltage & frequency. If you want to save energy set the thermostat higher and thus decrease running time. >I found only three phase variable frequency drive unit in the > market. Is there any single phase variable frequency drive at all?

    Yes. There are small solid state VFD devices availible, mostly as ‘fan controllers`. They must be size-matched to the motors to which they are connected. Pragmatist "Politicians are not born, they are excreted." – Some very perceptive old greek.

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    > I have a central AC unit. It is single phase motor compressor. I am looking > for a vaiable frequency drive unit for it. I hope it can save energy. Will > it work? I found only three phase variable frequency drive unit in the > market. Is there any single phase variable frequency drive at all?

        You might try this question on the alt.engineering.electrical newsgroup. You’ll probably get some good answers there.  There are small 3 phase motors available that might fit your compressor.  Some VFDs can take single phase and change it to 3 phase so you could run a 3 phase motor for your compressor.   You could also try your question at the alt.home.repair group.  There are some professional HVAC guys there that seem to give good advice.                                            Dean —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

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    In your case no.  Large systems may have variable speed load controls, but on small home units they just cycle the compressor to control output. If it was necessary to use variable speed you would change the sealed compressor unit with a 3 phase unit and then use a 3 phase speed controller.  Three phase induction motors can be controlled over at least a 20 to 1 speed range.  Single phase motors have several problems when you try and change there speed.  As a single phase motor needs to make a second phase to start, the methods used interfere with the speed controller.  Start switches cut in at some speed and turn on the intermittent duty start winding.  Split phase systems without start switches run at low efficiency.  Etc.

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have a central AC unit. It is single phase motor compressor. I am looking > for a vaiable frequency drive unit for it. I hope it can save energy. Will > it work?

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    > I have a central AC unit. It is single phase motor compressor. I am looking > for a vaiable frequency drive unit for it. I hope it can save energy. Will > it work? I found only three phase variable frequency drive unit in the > market. Is there any single phase variable frequency drive at all?

    It will work however a 3 phase system is simpler. A single phase AC motor will have some method of starting: shaded poles (very inefficient),  they have a secondand auxilary split phase winding physicaly at 90 degrees with a phase lag created in the current by capacitor start with a centrifugal or timed disconected, capacitor start capacitor run or differing reactance of the winding. In this way as the current in the main winding is decreasing the auxilary winding due to the capacitiative phase lag is increasing and as it is a 90 degrees the vector sum of the tow windings produces a rotating magnetic field.   This second winding is not necessary once the motor is already spining in the required direction. this is becuase a single phase motor can be conceived of as running on two contra rotating magnetic fields comming out of the main winding that sum into only one stationary field.  Once running (by physicaly spining the motor or by the auxiliary winding with its capactitative phase lag)  the non linearity of the magnetic material with frequency means that the backward rotating magnetic field is less due to the increased impedence at higher frequencies and therefore has less torgue than the forward rotating one becuause it has a lower frequency as the rotor is spning in the same direction. All this mean that a single phase motor is actualy slighly less efficient and in some ways a little more complicasted than a 3 phase one. 3 phase motors simply have 3 winding s at 120 degrees that are connect usualy in at a star point (where all three cancel and balance hence no neutral is needed).   The rotating field is produced by the 120 degree phase lag either by direct connection to the network or to the varible frequency drive whcih synthesis them. A single phase variable frequency controller is usually (99.5% of the time) used to synthesis a 3 phase current for a 3 phase motor. So controllers for singel phase motors are very rare becuase of awkward starting torgue characteristics (not a problem with a fan or compressor) but they simply are not as good and don’t save on complexity.

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  • Opinion on Tankless Water Heaters

    Question:

    We had a Seisco tankless water heater in our house within the last two years and we hated it. It never got hot enough and we had to turn down the water pressure to get it hot enough to take a shower. We lost it during a lightning strike last year and replaced it with a conventional.

    Response:

    Thanks Jeff and I like that you speak from experience. To me it would be $750 installed. The damnest thing is that nothing is wrong with my current heater, I was just looking from the point of view of potential savings. Oh well. — iBuyMinis

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->The one and only reason for consideration was to save energy. > Then you’ll never save enough to offset the cost.  Put your current > water heater on a timer if you must, use a blanket as well. > I have a friend who installed two, in locations where tanks weren’t > practical.  The one does great, feeds a dual head shower and you could > run that sucker all day with scalding hot water.  The other feeds a > batha nd laundry.  Don’t expect to take a shower while the washer’s > running, there ain’t no hot water. > The shower one was a Bosch, with a pressure valve of some sort.  I > think he told me it was $850 installed.  Don’t know about the other. > I considered one in a tight bath that has the tank heater in the > closet, to save space.  Decided the $600 I’d save would pay for the > lost space.  :) > Jeff

    Response:

    And for the "the topic has been discussed to death". Sir, I am looking for period examples. Not rehashed information from 5, 10 years ago. I know about Google and I am just trying to find like minded folks that have real world experience. I will check this link. Thanks. iBuyMinis

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I read many of the posts and was surprised at the negative comments, > especially those who have never owned them.  I grew up with a Paloma > PH-24M.  A link is provided at the bottom.  This water heater is now 17 > years old and I made 2 out of 3 of the repairs myself.  The first repair > was 5 years ago when the heater was 12 years old.  These units are > extremely easy to run and repair. > While not as simple as filling up a tank and keeping it hot they are > wonderful machines.  You will have to justify the expense.  My Dad > forgot how much he spent years later.  We had seven children, two > showers, and large capacity washer.  We used the heck out of hot water > including partially filling up water beds.  Don’t remember ever running > out and it was HOT HOT water. > Paloma heaters are commonly found in self serve car wash bays and make > 100% sense over a tank any day any time, they save space and undoubtedly > save energy.  How much energy I don’t know, don’t care!  I know my > Mother’s gas bill is not as high as mine and I live in a smaller place > with a tank.  I’m definitely going to buy the Paloma when I rebuild my > HVAC area with a Carrier MVP furnace, Hauge water treatment and Paloma > water heater. > http://www.palomawaterheaters.com/products.html > Destiny Real Estate, your connection to online discussion groups for > home living.  Visit us at: http://www.utahhousevalues.com

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    >The one and only reason for consideration was to save energy.

    Then you’ll never save enough to offset the cost.  Put your current water heater on a timer if you must, use a blanket as well. I have a friend who installed two, in locations where tanks weren’t practical.  The one does great, feeds a dual head shower and you could run that sucker all day with scalding hot water.  The other feeds a batha nd laundry.  Don’t expect to take a shower while the washer’s running, there ain’t no hot water. The shower one was a Bosch, with a pressure valve of some sort.  I think he told me it was $850 installed.  Don’t know about the other. I considered one in a tight bath that has the tank heater in the closet, to save space.  Decided the $600 I’d save would pay for the lost space.  :) Jeff

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    >Actually, I am a bit skeptical of BOTH of the above, but there are so >many varieties of hotels that I’d expect there would be some examples >to validate both sides.

    You are right, of course. I was basing my statement on an experience at the Disneyland Hotel in California, of all places. Hot water was cold at the tap at all rooms on the floor. Called engineering, he went down to a util closet and played with a valve on the exchanger. 5 minutes later there was hot water in all the rooms.

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    I read many of the posts and was surprised at the negative comments, especially those who have never owned them.  I grew up with a Paloma PH-24M.  A link is provided at the bottom.  This water heater is now 17 years old and I made 2 out of 3 of the repairs myself.  The first repair was 5 years ago when the heater was 12 years old.  These units are extremely easy to run and repair. While not as simple as filling up a tank and keeping it hot they are wonderful machines.  You will have to justify the expense.  My Dad forgot how much he spent years later.  We had seven children, two showers, and large capacity washer.  We used the heck out of hot water including partially filling up water beds.  Don


  • 'Truly Pathetic' rant

    Question:

    > Well you see the trouble is that you don’t seem to know what "socialism" is > or means but then you probably have the disadvantage of the usual mediocre > American public school education… and didn’t actually ever get curious > enough to do some personal research when you realized you’d been > short-changed by that system.

    I have done outside research on it, I know what the ideas behind socialism and communism/Marxism are, and I know human nature – and history – enough to know that neither idea will ever work on a grand scale.  It’s never worked anywhere as the foundation of government except on a very small scale, and it’s not working for California. > Labeling anything they don’t like, or which goes against personal desires > as "communist" and "socialist" is just a cheap trick to try and get away > with selfish, destructive, anti-social behavior.  We’ve seen it too many > times not to recognize the symptoms.

    That depends on what you consider selfish, destructive, or anti-social.  I wasn’t labelling anything communist or socialist, I simply said that if there was an attempt at revolution BY FORCE in this country that tried to turn us away from capitalism, there’d be a massive counter-revolution from those – like myself – who believe in capitalism.  As far as selfish, destructive, and anti-social, as has been applied to SUV’s in this discussion, it’s a matter of choice.  I’d hate to have that choice taken away in the name of "society", just like many people hate the fact that many people choose SUV’s for whatever reason, valid or not.  I don’t drive an SUV personally (except the work truck, but that’s a work truck), but no one should have a right to tell someone else they can’t own one… Or smoke, or drink, or eat meat, or own a gun…  I can’t tell someone not to ride a bike or own a hybrid, why should someone be able to tell me what I can’t do, as long as it’s legal?

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    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > There’s nothin’ really back-woods or hillbilly about that, considering > > there’d be a MASSIVE counter-uprising from middle-America and most >cities > > not on the coasts or massively liberal if socialists attempt to forcibly > > take over this country… > Got news for you, bud: They already have. >In this state and from 1992 – 2000 nationally, yes they did. > But you’re still just about the highest taxed state there is. If that > isn’t socialist income restribution, I don’t know what is. Your tax > rates are about on par with Canada. > What kinda gun laws you got there in CA? Same as Vermont? Same as > Switzerland? Do you have CCWs there? Thought not. Which is more >socialistic? > Try to actually use those guns for what the Founding Fathers intended > them for and you’ll get the BATF all over you, and you’ll get thrown in > jail if they don’t kill you first. They have a habit of doing that you > know, just like in a socialist country… > And in California you can hardly even use your guns to defend yourself > against private criminals, let alone the governmental variety, for fear > of getting sued. > Face it. You live in a pinko state, run by pinkos. George is right. It > only doesn’t look like socialism because you’re used to it. Go study > American history. With every war, every crisis, you’ve lost freedom. And > it’s continuing with the new Gulf War. The only winners here will be the > government, just like in a socialist country… >It seems fairly evident that you’re a Libertarian based on your views on >guns, which is fine, I agree with Libertarians.  And I’m well aware that >this is a socialist state, with a legislature ran almost entirely by >socialists or outright communists (it took 2 hours of Repub lobbying in this >state just to get the Assembly to say they support the troops).  My point >was that most of CA doesn’t agree with CA’s govt, based on the breakdown of >votes by county.  Unfortunately, our major cities – the population centers – >are overwhelmingly populated by limousine libs, aging hippies, illegal >aliens (make no mistake, many of the Dems in this state – Boxer and >Feinstein in particular – make sure they get to vote), welfare cases, and >overly idealistic students with aging hippies for professors.

    Your Honda what?

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    > I don’t know HOW many times I’ve been nearly run-over by morons in their > freaking SUV’s not paying attention to where they go, thinking they’re the > Gods of the asphalt.

    They just know that if there’s an accident, they’ll come out on top. The feeling of security makes them less cautious.

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    > I don’t know HOW many times I’ve been nearly run-over by morons in their > freaking SUV’s not paying attention to where they go, thinking they’re the > Gods of the asphalt. > They just know that if there’s an accident, they’ll come out on top. > The feeling of security makes them less cautious.

    Guess you’re right considering the number of ‘em, on their top, in the median, this winter. Got’a love that 4-wheel drive! Or.. is it all-wheel, 2 wheel limited, 4 wheel unlimited, 4 wheel slip-when-it-can or sometimes-slip 3 wheel. I doubt the owners or sales droids have a clue but any of ‘em’s got’a be worth a few extra grand.

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    >> I don’t know HOW many times I’ve been nearly run-over by morons in their > freaking SUV’s not paying attention to where they go, thinking they’re the > Gods of the asphalt. >They just know that if there’s an accident, they’ll come out on top. >The feeling of security makes them less cautious.

    I think there’s little more to it though… to do with an ability to think. When they blithely blast past you on a pedestrian crosswalk with the On/Off switch in the On position.  Ever notice how many of them drive with fog lamps on all the time – apparently because they "need the extra light" but when you look closer, all four lenses are covered in baked on crud. Rgds, George Macdonald "Just because they’re paranoid doesn’t mean you’re not psychotic" – Who, me??

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    > " it ain’t gonna happen here as long as I and the other freedom loving >  individuals of this nation are still packing our pistols." > OMG, please tell me you didn’t just write that… I really fear for our > nation as a whole when I hear back-woods hill-billy talk like that.

    There’s nothin’ really back-woods or hillbilly about that, considering there’d be a MASSIVE counter-uprising from middle-America and most cities not on the coasts or massively liberal if socialists attempt to forcibly take over this country… I live in California, which is constantly maligned and/or praised for being a communist/socialist/progressive state, but most of the state – geographically and by city other than SF, Berkeley, and LA – doesn’t agree with communism or socialism.  I see the resentment here on both sides, and I have no doubt that his statement, "it ain’t gonna happen here as long as I and the other freedom loving individuals of this nation are still packing our pistols," is absolutely true.

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    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> " it ain’t gonna happen here as long as I and the other freedom loving >  individuals of this nation are still packing our pistols." > OMG, please tell me you didn’t just write that… I really fear for our > nation as a whole when I hear back-woods hill-billy talk like that. >There’s nothin’ really back-woods or hillbilly about that, considering >there’d be a MASSIVE counter-uprising from middle-America and most cities >not on the coasts or massively liberal if socialists attempt to forcibly >take over this country… I live in California, which is constantly maligned >and/or praised for being a communist/socialist/progressive state, but most >of the state – geographically and by city other than SF, Berkeley, and LA – >doesn’t agree with communism or socialism.  I see the resentment here on >both sides, and I have no doubt that his statement, "it ain’t gonna happen >here as long as I and the other freedom loving individuals of this nation >are still packing our pistols," is absolutely true.

    Well you see the trouble is that you don’t seem to know what "socialism" is or means but then you probably have the disadvantage of the usual mediocre American public school education… and didn’t actually ever get curious enough to do some personal research when you realized you’d been short-changed by that system. Labeling anything they don’t like, or which goes against personal desires as "communist" and "socialist" is just a cheap trick to try and get away with selfish, destructive, anti-social behavior.  We’ve seen it too many times not to recognize the symptoms. Rgds, George Macdonald "Just because they’re paranoid doesn’t mean you’re not psychotic" – Who, me??

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    >>" it ain’t gonna happen here as long as I and the other freedom loving > individuals of this nation are still packing our pistols." >OMG, please tell me you didn’t just write that… I really fear for our >nation as a whole when I hear back-woods hill-billy talk like that. > There’s nothin’ really back-woods or hillbilly about that, considering > there’d be a MASSIVE counter-uprising from middle-America and most cities > not on the coasts or massively liberal if socialists attempt to forcibly > take over this country…

    Got news for you, bud: They already have. > I live in California, which is constantly maligned > and/or praised for being a communist/socialist/progressive state, but most > of the state – geographically and by city other than SF, Berkeley, and LA – > doesn’t agree with communism or socialism.

    But you’re still just about the highest taxed state there is. If that isn’t socialist income restribution, I don’t know what is. Your tax rates are about on par with Canada. > I see the resentment here on > both sides, and I have no doubt that his statement, "it ain’t gonna happen > here as long as I and the other freedom loving individuals of this nation > are still packing our pistols," is absolutely true.

    What kinda gun laws you got there in CA? Same as Vermont? Same as Switzerland? Do you have CCWs there? Thought not. Which is more socialistic? Try to actually use those guns for what the Founding Fathers intended them for and you’ll get the BATF all over you, and you’ll get thrown in jail if they don’t kill you first. They have a habit of doing that you know, just like in a socialist country… And in California you can hardly even use your guns to defend yourself against private criminals, let alone the governmental variety, for fear of getting sued. Face it. You live in a pinko state, run by pinkos. George is right. It only doesn’t look like socialism because you’re used to it. Go study American history. With every war, every crisis, you’ve lost freedom. And it’s continuing with the new Gulf War. The only winners here will be the government, just like in a socialist country… — Tegger


  • new incandescent sized fluorescents

    Question:

    quoting: >Have they started making the size of them smaller?  I have an outside >entrance light that burned bulbs at least once per month.  A few years >ago I tried the flouros.  Cover wouldn’t fit.  Yesterday I told SO >that it was going to be flouro or nothing even if it had to go w/o the >cover.  Surprise, the cover now will fit.

    Oh yes!  They are shrinking quite rapidly now.  I have seen one that was 23w and it was not much bigger than a regular light bulb.  One drawback, if they continue to raise the wattage, two things will happen: heat, and efficiency goes down.  As a fluorescent bulb get packed into a tighter space, it confines heat around the electronics, and the heat may also effect the fluorescent tube itself.  And efficiency goes down as a result of sqishing more power out of a little bulb, so a 20w compact fluorescent is less efficient than a 20w 2 foot tube.  Sooner or later, the technical brick wall will be reached when they will become to inefficient, so they will have to stop shrinking them.

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    quoting: >do the higher wattage ones have a more fluorescent white light?

    It all really depends on the phosphor powders the manufacturer used in  the fluorescent bulb.  The vast majority of them are designed to closely match incandescent bulbs.  Sometimes you’ll come accross one that has whiter light, and it will be one of the selling points on the package. >the light off a $6 100 watt one from hd looks more yellow, >like an incandescent >unlike fluorescent light

    As said before, it will depend on the phosphor powders used in the fluorescent bulb.  They do however vary from manufacturer to manufacturer slightly, but this is nothing to do with wattage. Ok I want to clarify light color a bit.  In the industry, the color of light is measured in kelvin. for example: A typical indcandescent light bulb is 2750k When people say "fluorescent light", they mean the older Cool White fluorescnt tubes.  cool white is 4100k Complact fluorescent bulbs try to be as close as possible to indcandescent light at around 2750k. When someone says "I don’t like fluorescent light" again, they are referring to the old cool white tubes.  Why this is; in the pre-90s, their wasn’t anything much more than cool white tubes, their was, but everything else was more expensive.  Cool white was everywhere.  Today with the advant of better and better phosphor powders, flouorescent lights are not the fluorescent lights of yesteryear in terms of color.  If it wasn’t for those new phosphors, all of our compact fluorescent bulbs would be "cool white" 4100k. So when people say I don’t like "fluorescent light" or anything about "fluorescent light", you’re really saying the wrong thing nowadays.

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    > Sort of off-topic but; > Have they started making the size of them smaller?  I have an outside > entrance light that burned bulbs at least once per month.  A few years > ago I tried the flouros.  Cover wouldn’t fit.  Yesterday I told SO > that it was going to be flouro or nothing even if it had to go w/o the > cover.  Surprise, the cover now will fit. > Harry K

    The newer compact fluorescent lamps (CFLs) with screw bases have gotten smaller mostly due to smaller electronic ballasts.  They are also available in light outputs which better match the most commonly used incandescent lamp types of 100, 60 and 150 watts.  A 28 watt screw-in CFL, for example, closely matches the output of a 100 watt household incandescent bulb. As for color, the warm-toned lamps are typically 2700 K (Kelvins) and the best match to incandescent.  Most manufacturers also make a slightly cooler-appearing 3000 K color.  It’s a matter of personal preference as to which to use.  Commercial versions come in 3500 K and 4100 K colors to match typically used linear fluorescent lamps.  The 4100 K color is definitely cool and bluish in appearance and generally not acceptable for residential use.  The old "cool white" fluorescent lamp color, which was the standard for many years and represented about 80% of all fluorescent lamps sold, was rated at 4100 K.  It’s probably responsible for giving fluorescent lamps their poor color image.  Fortunately, the newer colors are much better. TKM

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    Sort of off-topic but; Have they started making the size of them smaller?  I have an outside entrance light that burned bulbs at least once per month.  A few years ago I tried the flouros.  Cover wouldn’t fit.  Yesterday I told SO that it was going to be flouro or nothing even if it had to go w/o the cover.  Surprise, the cover now will fit. Harry K

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    >do the higher wattage ones have a more fluorescent white light? >the light off a $6 100 watt one from hd looks more yellow, >like an incandescent >unlike fluorescent light

    Read the package.  It tells you (or tries to) the warmth of the light produced.  Warm white is more yellow in color while cool white is bluish. It has everything to do with the selection of the phosphors and nothing to do with the wattage. — Just my $0.02 worth.  Hope it helps Gordon Reeder greeder at: myself.com

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    Hi Efffi, Lots of these newer bulbs are intended to look like incandescent bulbs, and they give out light at about 2,00 degrees Kelvin, whereas the original ones give out "colder" whiter light. That sounds pretty strange, being they give out light closer to 5,000 Kelvin, as I remember. The new ones are made this way because the originals gave out that (some people consider) light that is unflattering indoors. Most people in their homes probably prefer the warmer, yellowish bulbs that just save energy, but look similar in light color to the incandescent bulb. I think I have seen them come in both light output types in most wattages. The outside of the package usually mentions something about the type of light color. Bob

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> do the higher wattage ones have a more fluorescent white light? > the light off a $6 100 watt one from hd looks more yellow, > like an incandescent > unlike fluorescent light

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    do the higher wattage ones have a more fluorescent white light? the light off a $6 100 watt one from hd looks more yellow, like an incandescent unlike fluorescent light

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  • Office radio

    Question:

    I work in a office where every one has a computer on their desk. In the morning when no one is here I get like two of the strongest stations in the area. Once everyone is here I get like one very faintly.  I use a clock radio that has a two foot wire hanging out of it. I move it about until something comes in. We had new lights install and I get nothing now. My cube is 30 feet from a wall that is nothing but windows. One floor and I have access to the roof. What can I use with either my current radio or can some recommend something.

    Response:

    http://www.ccrane.com/ccradio.asp

    Response:

        It is not easy to get stations inside a steel frame buildings.  I have one radio that does will, but it cost $150.00. http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5F… LG%5F001%5F002%5F008%5F000&product%5Fid=20%2D234 — Joseph E. Meehan 26 + 6 = 1  It’s Irish Math

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I work in a office where every one has a computer on their desk. In the > morning when no one is here I get like two of the strongest stations in the > area. Once everyone is here I get like one very faintly.  I use a clock > radio that has a two foot wire hanging out of it. I move it about until > something comes in. We had new lights install and I get nothing now. > My cube is 30 feet from a wall that is nothing but windows. One floor and I > have access to the roof. What can I use with either my current radio or can > some recommend something.

    Response:

    can’t you listen to the radio via the computer?  most large stations have live audio.

    >     It is not easy to get stations inside a steel frame buildings.  I have > one radio that does will, but it cost $150.00.

    http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5F… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> LG%5F001%5F002%5F008%5F000&product%5Fid=20%2D234 > — > Joseph E. Meehan > 26 + 6 = 1  It’s Irish Math > I work in a office where every one has a computer on their desk. In the > morning when no one is here I get like two of the strongest stations in > the > area. Once everyone is here I get like one very faintly.  I use a clock > radio that has a two foot wire hanging out of it. I move it about until > something comes in. We had new lights install and I get nothing now. > My cube is 30 feet from a wall that is nothing but windows. One floor and > I > have access to the roof. What can I use with either my current radio or > can > some recommend something.

    Response:

    if you can run a wire discreetly to the window try this: http://www.surveybooks.com/wm/infwiz/spant.html. Or internet radio

    Response:

    What about satellite radio?  Go with xmradio. http://www.xmradio.com/  You can get tuners for the car or home.  If you’re good at finding discount coupons you can have it up and running for less than $100 in equipment.  Its $10 a month.  about 32 cents a day.  100 stations or so. or go with internet radio.

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I work in a office where every one has a computer on their desk. In the > morning when no one is here I get like two of the strongest stations in the > area. Once everyone is here I get like one very faintly.  I use a clock > radio that has a two foot wire hanging out of it. I move it about until > something comes in. We had new lights install and I get nothing now. > My cube is 30 feet from a wall that is nothing but windows. One floor and I > have access to the roof. What can I use with either my current radio or can > some recommend something.

    Response:

    can you get radio over the internet? They installed electronic ballast to save energy  $$ Wayne

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Bob! > B > I work in a office where every one has a computer on their desk. In the > B > morning when no one is here I get like two of the strongest stations in the > B > area. Once everyone is here I get like one very faintly.  I use a clock > B > radio that has a two foot wire hanging out of it. I move it about until > B > something comes in. We had new lights install and I get nothing now. > Are you trying to get AM stations or FM?  To help with your reception > is would be handy to know where the station(s) transmitting towers are > — they generally are not at the studio.  If the station’s > transmitting antenna is on the west side of the building and your > cubical is on the east that may explain why your reception is poor. > A longer antenna may help, preferably tuned to the frequency of the > station: >                              984,000 >                           Freq. in KHz > Note: AM stations are KHz; FM are MHz; a MHz is 1,000 KHz, so 93.9 >       MHz is 93,900 KHz.  Yes, 1 wavelength is 10.48 feet. > B > My cube is 30 feet from a wall that is nothing but windows. One floor and I > B > have access to the roof. What can I use with either my current radio or can > B > some recommend something. > Do a web search on "Beverage Antennae" for some ideas.  Not sure if > you can put one up in the Cube Farm. > – >                


  • thermostat problem

    Question:

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi… > in one zone of my house, the thermostat seems to have stopped > working.  It’s a part of the house we don’t use much, so we’d turned it > down to 50 lately anyway, but i noticed that it’s not even keeping up > with that.  Bleed from the other house zone seems to be keeping it at > about 46, but it makes me nervous that we can’t warm up this part. > it’s a 25-year-old honeywell dial thermostat in the part of the > house that doesn’t work.  So my questions are > 1) would this be likely a failure in the thermostat itself, or a frozen > pipe or something?  what’s a good way to tell? > 2) do these old thermostats have a sensativity to cold?  I.e. could keeping > this part of the house cooler to save energy have killed the thermostat? > thanks > -mark

    Take the cover off of the thermostat and you will see where the two wires come out of the wall and connect under two screws.  Short across these two screws with a screwdriver, or a jumper wire, and see if the circulator pump, or zone valve, for that zone, runs OK.  If the pump/valve runs OK when you short across the wires, then the thermostat is faulty and should be replaced.  If not, then the problem is in the controls for the heating system; ie: a relay, zone valve, water circulating pump.

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    Hi…         in one zone of my house, the thermostat seems to have stopped working.  It’s a part of the house we don’t use much, so we’d turned it down to 50 lately anyway, but i noticed that it’s not even keeping up with that.  Bleed from the other house zone seems to be keeping it at about 46, but it makes me nervous that we can’t warm up this part.         it’s a 25-year-old honeywell dial thermostat in the part of the house that doesn’t work.  So my questions are 1) would this be likely a failure in the thermostat itself, or a frozen pipe or something?  what’s a good way to tell? 2) do these old thermostats have a sensativity to cold?  I.e. could keeping this part of the house cooler to save energy have killed the thermostat? thanks -mark

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  • I have the answer to the USA saving energy and reducing green house gas emmisions

    Question:

    Does anybody want the answer so USA could save energy and be able to sign Kyoto protocol?

    Response:

    Have California slide off into the Pacific and the East Coast slide off into the Atlantic?

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Does anybody want the answer so USA could save energy and be able to sign > Kyoto protocol?

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